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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies and today for the very first time

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i can't believe

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i'm actually saying that the first time

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in summer in the sky's history

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we have with us former federal agent

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and paranormal investigator ufo

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researcher

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and everything in between ben hansen

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we're not going to waste

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any time we're going to be talking all

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about his new show ufo witness

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on discovery plus so without further ado

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ben

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thank you so much for joining me on

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summer in the skies

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yeah thank you thanks brian it's good to

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good to see you again

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it's been been a crazy year hasn't it

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we're still here we're still alive and

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there's a lot of stuff to talk about

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with ufos

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i know man before we do that um i'm

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gonna pull up

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a photo i think this is the last time

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actually saw each other give me one sec

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here okay hold this up for your thoughts

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boom what's going on there man

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do you remember this night because i

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honestly don't

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think i see you in the very background

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in a in a face of shock

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and maybe i had made a comment to james

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and and he got upset about it and so he

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and i was too slow and i caught it right

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hey you took it in stride man turning

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the cheek isn't that what they say

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um i thought that'd be a fun way to

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start things off let me yeah well you

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gotta you gotta move the jaw because

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um that's where your face gets broken so

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if you know you're gonna get hit

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you know just make your your neck loose

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i love see i knew i was gonna learn

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something today other than stuff about

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i this is a win already brother um well

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for some of my listeners or viewers hey

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who may not be too familiar

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with their work i don't know how they

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couldn't at this point um but tell us a

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little if you don't mind um

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maybe about your time uh with the fbi

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uh what got you from there to where you

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hunting everything from ghosts and

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yeah can you maybe give us kind of the

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origin story of how this

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my interest really began when i was

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you know um getting disparaging

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any other tv hosts no one in particular

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tv shows are cast because um they find

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they're hosting qualities and then they

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want to be on tv and they're like oh and

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by the way are you interested in ufos

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and for me it was reverse i never saw

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that i would be doing anything in tv

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me here like stuff that was like beyond

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but then i was in high school uh the tv

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show x-files you know

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um anything official like that but i

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knew about project blue book

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in the public sector and doing

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so when when i was in college my degree

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and straight out of college i went to

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work investigating child

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sex crimes and severe physical abuse

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stuff and so it was like

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i'm working for the state i was okay

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you know like i go to a party what do

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you do like do you really want to know

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and like i did that for several years

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all right the first show i did was

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factor faked

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you know and i fell into that world but

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they wanted to promote everything with

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the x-files theme and all that and it's

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it's cool but i i don't want to give

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people the impression that i was doing

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anything like that at the bureau

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right um i was working national security

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criminal cases as well um i wasn't there

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all that long

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because things just weren't what i

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expected and and that's another thing i

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get from people is like well

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he knew too much you got too close to

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the truth or right

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you know or he's a disinformation agent

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i'm like i wish

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i wish because like paychecks

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i think i guess in a ways i always get

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asked too well what do you think it did

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to prepare you for what you're doing now

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i was like i was always doing this

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this is the the tv show um my latest

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pretty much like a culmination of

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whatever i was doing

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the same thing as a kid but now i'm an

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and what's weird is that um there's

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so many things i believe and have an

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open mind now in that aspect than i did

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as a kid

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right when it comes to ghost hunting i

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didn't believe in ghosts

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they were they were just made up stories

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ufos i had an open mind seeing so much

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now you know and so now i just as an

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get to go and explore these iconic

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places i used to see when i was a kid

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i'm used to read about you know and and

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like you go

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to conferences you probably never

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believed that you'd be writing books

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interesting journey i think when you get

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sort of authority figure i don't have

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that in my blood or my dna

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but hey once you put the uh the work in

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in the effort and

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people start paying attention to you uh

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that anyone would read something that i

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investigating on um

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responsibility that we really have to uh

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uh pay attention to and and you know do

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do the work and um make it as credible

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that's exactly it i mean when you say

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the work because a lot of people like

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doing everything and i was just thinking

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about that today i'm like

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anybody who wants to put in the effort

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to learn how to do a proper

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law enforcement you don't have to have a

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this or that um the some of the best

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just had a passion

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and experiments and stuff people are

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but there's not a body of knowledge of

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government has done to cover up

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ghosts it's just not it's not the same

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everything there is to know you really

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what agencies are doing what and why i

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government to have official agencies and

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why i had a degree from a university

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that you could get about

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the history of it exactly man and

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professors out there

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kind of pushing for those kind of uh

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courses whether through a

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historical uh you know lens or

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or religion or government or like you

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said there's

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you can attach this topic of ufos to

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fascinating uh pop culture

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uh i love it um and you guys kind of

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all of these in your new show so i guess

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after fact or fake uh ghosts of

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uh now we have ufo witness on discovery

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give us the um maybe the rundown of how

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the show came to be

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and uh this really special

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unique person that you were able to work

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with on the show that actually worked

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if you don't mind give us the rundown

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i guess i i can't get too much into what

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what the development where that is right

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now but

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because a lot of because of what covet

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was going through and what was happening

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or stalling of all filming um

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disability so i guess i can say this

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much there's a possibility that show can

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come back too

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but in the interim um the ufo world has

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just exploded

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and as you know in the last couple years

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there's been so much media attention but

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um in my mind there wasn't

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look i watch about half an hour of tv a

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month i i don't even have cable

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uh i do enjoy the shows but i'm very

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particular

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about what i watch so i know that if i

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like

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something i'm on that it came out well

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to me that's a pretty good endorsement

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if ben hansen likes it even his own show

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you know then okay then i would watch it

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yeah and uh what happened was this

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company comes along

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and um i always get calls people wanting

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ideas

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of of what to do what to film and i was

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already talking with a knack

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and this thing was kind of formulating

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already

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a really great company called anomaly

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who makes

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just uh they do a lot of shark week

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shows

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and they they know how to do recreations

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and bring kind of that cinematic asked

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into it

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and so in talking with uh channel

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executives and stuff

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they said hey you know look have you

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asked ben if if he's interested in kind

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of what you guys are working on and it

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just sort of meshed together

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now mark o'connell who's also a

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co-executive for doing that

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um had the access mark's kind of new to

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the

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are in for a while

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um he he kind of came into it because

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he's been doing this a long time but he

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hadn't been

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really well known of what access he had

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and so he wrote a biography

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about uh dr heineck okay so he writes a

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biography and was able to

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about the same time the um the movie

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blue book was out he was also talking to

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the family members you know to paul

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heineck

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um he was he was getting in with anybody

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who who knew

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heineck to really get to know this man

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he writes the book

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and in the the the process of doing that

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he gains access to

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kufos the center of ufo studies

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where the archives um and for the

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audience who probably know this

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the organization was started by heinek

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after he

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left project blue book so

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and then it morphs off and branches into

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mufon and other other organs

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so anyways jenny zeidman

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was dr heineck's personal assistant

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she was a college student i believe

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it was uh i don't know if you talked to

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many places but ohio state is where i

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believe it was

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and she's a student in his class

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and they did kind of a field trip you

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know like um

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and went outside and they saw some

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sighting of of a weird object now the

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whole

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class is freaking out heinek himself

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doesn't know what he's seeing

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and she goes back and does some research

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and comes back

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and says i know what we saw the other

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night it was dead

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i don't remember if it she she found

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that it was a water balloon or what it

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was but

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he was so impressed with her diligence

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that he said would you like

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to kind of intern for me would you like

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to be my assistant

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so she then actually gets hired by the

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air force

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okay working with heinek as his

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assistant

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and eventually moves up into field

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investigating and actually doing a lot

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of the interviews

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and um she was gosh how old was she she

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was 80 something

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she was way up there when i met her and

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it was just like sitting down in a big

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coming chair you know

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and saying grandma you know tell me

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about what you knew

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and she was very opinionated she

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felt very determined um about a lot of

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things that dr heineck

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of she she was you know right there next

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to him and knew what his thoughts were

404
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knew what he believed what he was

405
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frustrated with knew his opinions on

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cases

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um i don't know if i'm getting too far

408
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into the weeds here

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but something that the uh is

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it's addressed a little bit in the

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series she later went to work for the

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government

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uh a contractor named battelle right and

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if your people know

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yeah very familiar yep the engineering

416
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of a lot of the

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the roswell debris uh technology

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division at wright patterson

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they're like this and so not giving away

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too much one part of the series was we

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learned from

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jenny some of these okay the people who

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were assigning the product cases

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the the most unexplained cases she

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believes did not come

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from the air force directly one or two

427
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guys would show up in a car

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deliver a manila envelope and she she

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did a search on their

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license plate to find out who these

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people were because

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hynek was like they're not air force

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and they're dressed in in like civilian

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clothes

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okay so how is a government

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handling much in the same way i guess

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you could say bigelow

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was handling the money for um

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the uh the 22 million dollars that was

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invested

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right and so he

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he's a government contractor but he's

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assigning

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these cases because for one thing

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there's no foia requests you can do like

446
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they don't have the same rules

447
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right right if you put a foia request on

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on a government contractor they're not

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under the same obligation to turn over

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their files

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right and so if you do an investigation

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that's actually headed underneath a

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contractor

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it gets lost nobody has to come out and

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00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:11,360
talk about it

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00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,920
right and so what's really cool with

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o'connell

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we got to pick the brain uh jenny for

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00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:19,680
the the time she was with us before she

460
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:20,560
passed away

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00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:23,440
we get access to the kufos files we get

462
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:24,880
personal notes

463
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,839
um personal correspondence between hynek

464
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and and everything he was doing before

465
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:31,120
and after blue book

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and we get to revisit and retrace his

467
00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:34,639
steps

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00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,279
for some of these iconic cases compare

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them to modern day things

470
00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:41,440
so you'll see each episode we take an

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old case

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00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:45,600
we look at what jenny did and then we

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00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,560
come forward and we look for patterns

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00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:50,720
to see is it something new is it

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different

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what can we learn from it yeah i i love

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that aspect of the show i just like

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00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,600
retracing his steps trying to get in the

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00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:01,040
mind of heinek and like

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00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:02,959
what he was thinking at the time and

481
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,000
then you as a modern-day investigator

482
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:08,880
who has the technology now to go out and

483
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:09,839
do your own

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00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,039
uh you know re-examination i mean that's

485
00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:15,360
a resource that only something like

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00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,640
a television show can really provide so

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that's why when i always tell people

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like you may think these tv shows

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um are entertainment but they have

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resources

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that us ufo researchers do not have

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and money to do it so i'm all for any

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infotainment as we call it show coming

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out where it will get the uh the topic

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out there and um

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well let's kind of without going in too

497
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in depth with every episode ben because

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obviously we want

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people to watch your journey uh the

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first episode we have to talk about this

501
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one you mentioned

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what's going on in the world today with

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ufos we've got

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00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:57,360
the pentagon has a ufo task force

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uh within 180 days they're supposed to

506
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:03,679
make their findings public which is like

507
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:05,440
all of this is just blowing my mind i

508
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never thought we would see this in our

509
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lifetime

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um and you were able to interview one of

511
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the gentlemen

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that was on the nimitz carrier and um

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you found some really interesting

514
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connections between that

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and a case that blue book investigated

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which was the uh the coin helicopter

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00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:25,039
case so would you mind maybe running us

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00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:25,840
a little through

519
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:28,960
what these two cases might have had in

520
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:30,799
common to give us an example of what the

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00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:31,360
show

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00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:36,400
you um so

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00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:39,200
you're right the nimitz case was was

524
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probably

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um gosh i get you could dare say

526
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if you looked at it globally it it's uh

527
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it

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the amount of

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00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:54,160
eyes that got on the case because it's

530
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very visual we've got these videos of

531
00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,919
um you know the the tic-tac-shaped ufo

532
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:01,840
and then later on the east coast

533
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,840
you know they they have the the thing

534
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:05,039
that uh

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00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,039
they looks like the video looks like

536
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:08,880
it's on its side and it's like spinning

537
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:09,679
and

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00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,039
government finally admitted

539
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,960
they had been chasing these things they

540
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,240
had an official

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00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,960
um program to investigate them and they

542
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:21,919
don't know what they are

543
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:25,919
so you know and so the the media

544
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,440
is is crazy about it finally and

545
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:31,280
one thing though is that the shape of

546
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,160
this you caught they call it a tic tac

547
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:37,200
um it's interesting that there are

548
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,840
actually more sightings now far more

549
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:41,280
sightings of triangles

550
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:45,200
of lights and orbs and non-disc shaped

551
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,400
objects

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00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:48,080
you know and so we kind of wanted to

553
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:50,960
know well how far back do we go

554
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:53,360
to where we could find a lot of of uh

555
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:54,799
references to a tic tac

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tic tac looking cylindrical you know

557
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,280
shape and military engines and the coin

558
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:03,280
copter case is a great example because

559
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:03,760
that was

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00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:06,960
um 1970 i want to say it was 75.

561
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:10,960
these guys are uh pilots

562
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:14,559
army um guy going to get a flight

563
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:17,200
uh medical review and they're on the way

564
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,159
back they

565
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:19,760
they take turns flying the helicopter

566
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,280
because they need the hours right

567
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:23,039
so the guy flying the helicopter on the

568
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,640
way back they they take an altitude

569
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,840
which is unusual for them

570
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:28,159
like i think they're about 3000 feet

571
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:29,760
normally helicopters are cruising you

572
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:30,080
know

573
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,280
like maybe 500 maybe a little bit more

574
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:36,000
but they get way up there and as they're

575
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:37,200
flying

576
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:41,200
um they're right side starboard

577
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:45,280
i guess we're not a boat so

578
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,919
but the right side you see this red

579
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:49,200
light

580
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:51,760
and it starts approaching them and they

581
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,640
start kind of

582
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,720
taking notice that it's coming really

583
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,760
fast

584
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,760
and it starts doing zooming zooming

585
00:21:02,710 --> 00:20:59,440
super fast towards them

586
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:02,720
so much though the captain coin um

587
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,720
grabs the uh controls the collective and

588
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,799
grabs the helicopter and says okay it's

589
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,320
mine because he's got

590
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,880
the the most time in this uh aircraft

591
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:14,880
and pushes it down in a dive okay so

592
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,000
they think they're gonna miss collision

593
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:21,520
and i remember seeing the altitude

594
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,640
indicator from um

595
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,120
the three thousand they're at they get

596
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,840
down to seventeen hundred

597
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,480
this thing comes up over the top of them

598
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:33,520
and

599
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:37,760
about 20 seconds maybe even less

600
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:41,200
stops and hovers above them it's tic tac

601
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,880
shaped um it has a front of it

602
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:47,039
that shines down on them and fills the

603
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,720
canopy of the helicopter

604
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,320
and before you know it the they

605
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,919
disappear

606
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,760
that takes off they look at their

607
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:54,960
altimeter

608
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,039
and up to 3 500 feet so they've gained

609
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:02,080
1800 feet um

610
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:03,120
something like that i had them trying to

611
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:06,880
figure it out gains that much altitude

612
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,480
in that 10 to 20 seconds so

613
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:12,640
for for us and and people who've seen my

614
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,679
previous um

615
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,600
shows like fact or faked one of the cool

616
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:16,720
was

617
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,520
we we tried replicating that the modern

618
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,440
day helicopter which

619
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,679
of course the i believe it was a huey

620
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,280
that they were in

621
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:27,760
it's more power but in talking to our

622
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,640
expert

623
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,200
pilot he's like here's the differences

624
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:32,960
it's not going to be anywhere

625
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:36,000
look it's going to be just as fast as

626
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,200
they were flying

627
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:40,000
the horsepower and everything else climb

628
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:41,200
a little bit more in the military

629
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,159
helicopter

630
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,840
but it was a good proof of concept

631
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:45,520
because what we found was there's

632
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,799
absolutely no way even even a

633
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,960
meteorological condition like a

634
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,799
you know wind shear not make the

635
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,480
helicopter rise that quickly that amount

636
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,440
of time

637
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:58,080
so there had to be some external force

638
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,039
at play

639
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,559
so that's that's kind of how the show

640
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,080
goes is that we

641
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,400
that we look for natural explanations

642
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:06,840
maybe we try to recreate something

643
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,559
but knowing that these similar objects

644
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,600
were seen

645
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,400
you know in the 70s and now again and

646
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:15,840
they see me

647
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:18,880
i wouldn't say it was aggressive per

648
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:19,440
them

649
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:22,480
but think about it we're deploying

650
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,320
just scramble to fly after these things

651
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:27,840
there are rumors that when this has

652
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,960
happened before like 1952

653
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:33,200
um the reds scare over the capital where

654
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,240
these things showed up

655
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,320
you know in swarms over two weekends in

656
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,320
july and the jets would come and they'd

657
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,760
scramble away

658
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,320
there are rumors that we lost two jets

659
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:44,000
on one of those weekends and the pilots

660
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,200
died

661
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:47,039
okay we're trying to confirm that but

662
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,400
think about it like

663
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,520
this is a national security concern

664
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,200
in our airspace we don't know who they

665
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:55,440
are and and i think that's one reason

666
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:56,000
that this

667
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:57,440
uh both of these cases are really

668
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,559
important absolutely and i mean you know

669
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,440
we had

670
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,440
uh the former head of the secret

671
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,320
pentagon ufo program luis elizondo on

672
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,799
uh two weeks ago now and he said the

673
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,400
same thing he's like look i come from a

674
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,960
world of the department of defense and

675
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,960
intelligence like if we don't know what

676
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,640
it is these ufos

677
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,960
it's gonna be a potential threat so you

678
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,760
know while

679
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,360
a lot of people out there may think you

680
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,360
know they're space brothers and they're

681
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,880
you know they're here to save us and

682
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,640
it's all love and light um

683
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,799
we don't know that and that could be

684
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:29,919
only one

685
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,200
possible whatever intelligence race

686
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,240
uh source of what that ufo was

687
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:38,000
the ones over here may not be here for

688
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,440
the right the same reason

689
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,520
so um yeah man i thought that was a

690
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,200
really good example of

691
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,440
taking the case from then and now and um

692
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,360
finding connections and

693
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,159
it's cool and another episode um which

694
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,640
uh discovery plus was so kind to send me

695
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,799
uh screeners of a bunch of them to be

696
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,159
honest i was surprised

697
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,400
they let me see so far ahead so i have

698
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,000
to thank discovery plus for that

699
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,240
but um i believe this one aired already

700
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,679
so i think we could talk about it

701
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,720
the one with your grandfather this like

702
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:09,360
blew me a man um and i don't think i've

703
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:09,840
ever

704
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,559
watched a scripted uh parent or

705
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,880
unscripted paranormal or ufo show

706
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,039
where i almost cried and this was the

707
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,360
one that did it

708
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,200
would you mind kind of running us

709
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,440
through um you know going to meet your

710
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,440
dad and talking about your grandpa

711
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,559
and his possible connection to all of

712
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,640
this in an episode called alien

713
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:32,880
high tech yeah can you tease us a little

714
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,789
it was really touching because so so

715
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,640
when the series um

716
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,600
we decided it was greenlit um i got to

717
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,679
go the producers we talked about

718
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,240
uh some of the different um cases we

719
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,679
wanted to cover

720
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:54,240
you know when we're gonna do it and you

721
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,679
know talk about some amazing stories

722
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,760
that haven't been told yet

723
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,760
um they also wanted a personal

724
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,279
connection and this one's always been

725
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,960
something that i've been trying to

726
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,039
to work on my own was that my

727
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,960
grandfather worked for the air force he

728
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,480
was um

729
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,320
he was in world war ii uh with the

730
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,919
marines and then went to the air force

731
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:13,520
civilian and he was a

732
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:17,760
um a logistical engineer so his job

733
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:20,640
um well my pictures of him are over here

734
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:21,200
but

735
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:24,559
anyways his job was primarily um

736
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,320
to to take logistical like projects and

737
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,760
figure out okay we need to make the

738
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:31,360
space for the project

739
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,039
we need to inventory it um he he helped

740
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,679
them implement the the larger computer

741
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,600
system the air force had at the time

742
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,400
and he was underground okay he worked on

743
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:44,640
maintaining hanger systems

744
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:48,080
and at some point 1965 my dad was

745
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:51,600
15 years old comes to my dad and says

746
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,350
um i've been asked to join a special

747
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:58,559
group

748
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,760
and the the government might call me at

749
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,640
any time

750
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,559
and if they do i have to get up and i

751
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,640
have to leave town and i can't tell you

752
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,720
sometimes or even where i'm going i

753
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,080
don't know when i'll be back

754
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:12,240
and my dad's like are you talking about

755
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,440
like a cold war

756
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:16,240
era nuclear threat sort of thing and and

757
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,600
he goes well

758
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:20,159
something like that right and so my dad

759
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:20,799
remembers

760
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,039
in 65 was the first time he was called

761
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,520
he had to pack his bags and and one

762
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,039
thing that the show

763
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,880
i think that the narrator made a little

764
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,399
error there they said they moved my

765
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,440
family

766
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,640
um to utah he was always in utah

767
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,480
what it was is he would leave from there

768
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,399
on what they call tdys temporary duty

769
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,440
assignment

770
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:44,000
to wright patterson and wright patterson

771
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,480
of course

772
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,559
is head of project blue book still going

773
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,159
on in 60s

774
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,559
it was also and is the home of the

775
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,320
foreign technology division

776
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:55,039
so everything from roswell to any back

777
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,600
engineer

778
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,000
of craft we don't know how it works is

779
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,520
taken there

780
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,000
and my grandpa would be gone okay

781
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,320
sometimes for a couple of weeks

782
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,880
he couldn't talk to my my dad i couldn't

783
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:08,880
answer the phone at times

784
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,919
um so in the series without getting too

785
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,840
much into it but you'll see this this

786
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:15,279
part

787
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,399
um the producers loved the idea and

788
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,480
i wanted to do it to go talk to my own

789
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:21,840
dad about my grandpa

790
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,200
and see what we could find out and

791
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,120
so my dad tells the story of how that

792
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,520
progression happened and what we learned

793
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,480
and actually matching up some dates of

794
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:33,679
when my grandpa

795
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,559
left to write patterson and i'm like

796
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:38,480
blown away because we were able to match

797
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,120
up

798
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:42,000
the dexter michigan case you know

799
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,120
kecksburg

800
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,399
like specific weekends where some major

801
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,720
things happen and my grandpa just

802
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,760
happens to leave

803
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,159
it's an emergency and then can't say

804
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,000
when he's coming back

805
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,559
right and so the the thing that i think

806
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,559
you're talking about had gave me chills

807
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,919
too because if you watch

808
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,080
i'm i'm almost and i don't cry a lot at

809
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,600
all but like

810
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,840
i'm like kind of getting a little water

811
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,440
like holding back because

812
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,559
my dad was retelling the the death bed

813
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,200
you know like when grandpa was there and

814
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,600
what he finally tells him in the end

815
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,240
you know and so to me having the

816
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:20,399
opportunity to do this

817
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,679
this episode was really awesome because

818
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,760
we got my dad on tape

819
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,679
we made some discoveries i had no idea

820
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,880
about

821
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,279
and and to be able to do that just for a

822
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,960
family archive

823
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,559
you know it was really cool so we're

824
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,640
still we're still researching it

825
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,720
um i'm still trying to kind of dig in

826
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,000
there to see if grandpa hit

827
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:43,279
any secrets anywhere yeah you're so

828
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,720
right man i think uh

829
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,640
there's another show out where they

830
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,960
found the personal journals of jesse

831
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,000
marcel

832
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,799
during the roswell incident so look

833
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,679
these cases

834
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,520
aren't case closed even if they were

835
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:56,960
part of project blue book

836
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,919
and they were closed um they're still

837
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:01,679
unknown of what a lot of these actually

838
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,080
were

839
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:04,640
so who knows what your your grandfather

840
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,360
worked on

841
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:08,159
um it was a really cool human touch to

842
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,039
the show

843
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,919
and um i i loved it um you got to go to

844
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,600
dugway in that episode too but

845
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,600
like i said we could we could go episode

846
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,440
by episode but i've got some more

847
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,360
important questions to ask you man

848
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,840
um in terms of you know kind of the

849
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,640
journey

850
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,559
of the show there is an episode dealing

851
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,679
with uh

852
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,919
abductions i don't know if it's aired

853
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,799
yet but

854
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,480
what do you what do you make of this

855
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:32,080
whole side of it you know we're not just

856
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,039
talking

857
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,919
lights in the sky or uh even even a

858
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,200
craft of some sort

859
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,279
we're going next level and we're talking

860
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:40,880
people getting kidnapped

861
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,080
by aliens so when you're an investigator

862
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:46,000
going into something like that and

863
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,200
knowing that project

864
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:49,120
blue book actually looked into these

865
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,240
cases as well

866
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,000
um what do you make of it the whole

867
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:53,840
abduction phenomenon

868
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,200
well it's kind of the next logical step

869
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,519
but i find that like with most things

870
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,360
there's a continuum of i'm not

871
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,440
i don't like the the term skeptic and

872
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,640
believer because

873
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:07,039
people want to label you and if they say

874
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:08,159
favor well then

875
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,600
what does that mean i believe everything

876
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,200
i hear no

877
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,519
i need to be skeptical and so when it

878
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,360
comes to abductions

879
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,760
um i'll tell you the one case that

880
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,360
really changed my mind

881
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,200
because i was in that camp of like look

882
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,919
okay i would give it a 95

883
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,760
chance we've been visited because of all

884
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:28,000
the sightings i've had my own

885
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,519
you know a couple of them that blew me

886
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,120
away so

887
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,080
i would say i'd give it a 95 chance but

888
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,840
you have to be have your mind open to

889
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,519
that possibility that they're not just

890
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,880
flying around but they're actually

891
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:39,919
interacting with us

892
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,679
in a much more direct way

893
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,600
and the case that changed my mind on

894
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:47,440
that was travis walton

895
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:51,760
you know fire in the sky and years ago

896
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,320
um i had a mutual friend who got me in

897
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:55,600
touch with him i didn't know he's still

898
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,320
alone

899
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,000
like most of us i saw the the movie that

900
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,000
freaked me out and i was like whoa

901
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,399
how much this is true and it's the case

902
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,559
of of 1975 and and

903
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,159
you know really quick i don't know it's

904
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,760
like arizona uh

905
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,760
seven loggers they're they're out you

906
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,200
know finishing up the day work and they

907
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:13,279
they come across this object it's

908
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,760
hovering in the forest and travis

909
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:16,960
approaches it

910
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,240
is struck you know by um they said it

911
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,600
was kind of a bolt

912
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,200
something as he gets close to it and

913
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,360
then they leave him

914
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,720
and they come back and he's gone and

915
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:28,880
he's gone for like five days

916
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,240
so when i met travis um

917
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,640
and it saw kind of what a humble and

918
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:36,480
believable person he was

919
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,120
and then you put into that all of the

920
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,519
polygraphs that the crew had taken all

921
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,360
of the the law enforcement involvement

922
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,360
the investigations

923
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,120
you're talking about a very very

924
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,880
powerful case probably the most well

925
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,360
documented abduction case

926
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,159
and i believed that the crew believed

927
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,919
what they saw and i believe that travis

928
00:33:03,269 --> 00:32:59,200
is telling the truth

929
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,279
so if i believe that i had to be open to

930
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,279
other possibilities that others have had

931
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:06,480
abductions

932
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,000
the problem is you can't lose your sense

933
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,880
of objectivity you have to look at it in

934
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,519
the probability of say

935
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,360
there's a higher percentage of people

936
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,880
with mental health problems in this

937
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,000
field

938
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,159
there's also people who don't have any

939
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,720
mental health problems but have um

940
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,919
very lucid dreams experiences that

941
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,200
they've they've come to

942
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,880
make them believe they've they've had an

943
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:33,039
experience and then

944
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,880
there's a possibility this is really

945
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,559
happening to them

946
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,440
right and so i'm kind of in this murky

947
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:41,039
middle where i'm like trying to weigh

948
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,159
the evidence

949
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,320
trying to get to know the person and

950
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,320
then trying to make a decision whether i

951
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:47,679
believe

952
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,960
first of all no one in this i met nobody

953
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,640
i believe made it up

954
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,480
okay i i think everyone was telling the

955
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,480
truth of what they believed

956
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,080
but then we have to get into is there

957
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,919
another explanation

958
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,600
is this something that was like a lucid

959
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,279
dream or sleep paralysis

960
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,039
or something that was so real to them or

961
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,440
did it physically really happen

962
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,879
and that's where we let the audience

963
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:10,639
decide because honestly

964
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,599
i don't know i really i have an open

965
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:14,639
mind but i don't know

966
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,760
some of these things are so strange um

967
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,879
but if it's true it's pretty crazy

968
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,040
what's been going on

969
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,000
yeah man i i agree with you on so many

970
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,240
levels when it comes to this uh

971
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,159
abduction phenomenon i mean you know me

972
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,079
i'm all about the people who have

973
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,480
experiences so i've interviewed hundreds

974
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:36,879
of people claiming alien abductions

975
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:39,520
and i i come away feeling the same way

976
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,000
you know

977
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,720
um maybe they're fantasy prone maybe it

978
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:43,679
was a uh

979
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,040
hypnagogic hallucination a lucid dream

980
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,079
anything to kind of push the idea

981
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,520
of a extraterrestrial intelligence

982
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:56,000
experimenting on people is what i went

983
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,879
for but

984
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,720
then you come away with those few cases

985
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,640
where you're like huh there's

986
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,119
nothing i can say to try to explain this

987
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,560
and the people too

988
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:07,119
i mean we're talking people claiming

989
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,079
these things

990
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,000
are your barista they're your law

991
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,160
enforcement you know they're your um

992
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,440
your teacher these are every people

993
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:18,320
credible same people saying that this

994
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,119
happened

995
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,200
so that really says get a sense of what

996
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,160
what what dr heineck felt

997
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,440
like um the pascagoula mississippi case

998
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,320
right and and to me it's so crazy

999
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,599
there's like

1000
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,920
they're like robot like that come out of

1001
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,240
the craft and grab these two guys by the

1002
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,599
arms

1003
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,920
right but this is an example of where he

1004
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,599
felt the same way

1005
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,760
he personally went down there

1006
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,119
interviewed the men

1007
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,359
talked to the the police officer they

1008
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,960
did a trick on them and when they

1009
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,400
interviewed them they left the tape

1010
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,400
recorder going and they left the room

1011
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,880
to see if they would talk and be like oh

1012
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:57,119
gosh the police aren't believing us or

1013
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,320
you know isn't this funny how we're

1014
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,240
going to keep this up so they didn't

1015
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,680
know they're being recorded and they

1016
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,960
were absolutely

1017
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,359
scared they were crying they were

1018
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,480
petrified yeah

1019
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,359
petrified right and so heinek comes away

1020
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,040
from that case

1021
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,640
also firmly believing he never says

1022
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,960
i know that you know extraterrestrials

1023
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,720
abducted these men because he's a very

1024
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,160
objective scientist

1025
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:22,079
but he says i believe they're telling

1026
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:23,440
the truth i believe

1027
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,960
they they believe they had this

1028
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,119
but then what what is it you know and

1029
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,200
and that's why i think i identify a lot

1030
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:32,960
with dr heineck

1031
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,920
because i i want to stay grounded

1032
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:38,480
sometimes all we have are the stories

1033
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,359
maybe some physical evidence but we

1034
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,040
shouldn't discount

1035
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,079
or of witness testimony

1036
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,320
witness testimony can put people in

1037
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,160
prison in the death sentence

1038
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,520
witness testimony you know like we have

1039
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,520
to make judgments about people

1040
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,680
if they're telling the truth or not and

1041
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,520
it's been diminished over time because

1042
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,599
we expect technology to do it all for us

1043
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,640
now

1044
00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:04,560
right but i kind of that's kind of the

1045
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,470
crux of the show

1046
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,800
[Music]

1047
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,599
it's ufo witness yeah it's all about the

1048
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,359
witnesses i agree with you brother

1049
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,160
um well moving on to some listener

1050
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,520
questions if you don't mind sticking

1051
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,280
around for a couple of days

1052
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,680
cool sure cool um yeah we got some

1053
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,280
excited people out there man

1054
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,560
and they've been following your work for

1055
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,720
a while so the first question

1056
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,960
uh we're going back to fact or fake days

1057
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,040
um for cam on facebook

1058
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,839
it remains his favorite paranormal show

1059
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,079
is there any chance of a revival and do

1060
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:35,839
you keep in touch with anyone

1061
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:39,119
from the original uh investigations um

1062
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:42,079
i do most of them most of them i talked

1063
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,480
to

1064
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,400
uh austin the other day he's having a

1065
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:45,680
baby

1066
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,000
um devon has got a couple kids now

1067
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:52,480
he's teaching at a college he's a

1068
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:53,280
pathetic

1069
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,119
uh let's see jael he's got a a podcast

1070
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:59,920
she's doing some radio stuff i don't

1071
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,240
know

1072
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,440
exactly what lanisha's up to or chilan

1073
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,400
bill i talk to all the time and bill's

1074
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:07,839
really wanting to do something

1075
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:11,280
you know so it's it's kind of like

1076
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:14,720
um if people are watching now delivery

1077
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,280
plus

1078
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,599
discovery actually bought the right to

1079
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,599
show the archives and so

1080
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,839
uh factor fake is i think on like

1081
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:23,359
wednesdays or it's on streaming now

1082
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,480
probably i don't even know

1083
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,839
you know or this case was already just

1084
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:29,680
adventures and i'm like well

1085
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,320
yes but you know ours was filmed in 2010

1086
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:37,200
a long time ago so anyways people will

1087
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:37,680
show

1088
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,200
we want it back um sci-fi is not doing

1089
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,800
this type of show anymore so i don't

1090
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,880
honestly know who has the rights to the

1091
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,000
name

1092
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:48,079
except the discovery re-bought it and

1093
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:49,520
they changed the name a little bit

1094
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,160
so it as far as rights go i think they

1095
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:53,839
could redo it

1096
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,800
and i am going to start talking with uh

1097
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:58,640
the networks perhaps to see if if

1098
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,040
they're

1099
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,680
a chance of a revival of some sort i

1100
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,640
don't know that would have

1101
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,480
all the same crew because some of them

1102
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,000
kind of gone off

1103
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,119
but um you know not too narrow

1104
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,160
but the concept was pretty unique

1105
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,079
it was something that a lot of tried to

1106
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:15,599
replicate

1107
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,200
and um it's flattering i mean but

1108
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,640
we were a combination of like

1109
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,400
mythbusters

1110
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,200
you know and um and the normal which a

1111
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:26,800
lot of these video shows are now just

1112
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,599
trying to you know

1113
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,440
and and i think it's still missing that

1114
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,119
element we just thought there and

1115
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,440
and put it to the test and we love it i

1116
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,040
hope to see it back

1117
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,680
i i really can't say you know as to to

1118
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,839
whether it's possible or not

1119
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,079
yeah hey anything's possible if we've

1120
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,240
learned anything from 2020

1121
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,119
um but you're you're getting you're

1122
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,880
definitely getting that feel in ufo

1123
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,720
witness so i highly suggest

1124
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,800
any fact or fake fans check out ufo

1125
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,800
witness because you're doing it man

1126
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:58,400
you're you're going out you're doing the

1127
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,280
experiments

1128
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,720
boots on the ground and that's what

1129
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,880
people want and that's what this field

1130
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,920
needs instead of

1131
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,160
all these people sitting around googling

1132
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,599
stuff and

1133
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,359
giving their opinion and saying case

1134
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,079
closed no go out there and do the work

1135
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,760
um well okay edward on facebook asks

1136
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:18,240
do you think men in black work for the

1137
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,280
fbi

1138
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,040
or what are your overall thoughts on the

1139
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,119
men in black phenomenon you do touch on

1140
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,800
this a little bit in ufo witness if i'm

1141
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,760
remembering

1142
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,119
correctly yeah what do you think of the

1143
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,920
mibs ben some of the earliest men in

1144
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:31,440
black encounters

1145
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,800
that uh it dates back at least as far

1146
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,160
back as roswell

1147
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,319
okay there there were military people

1148
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:40,720
that we've actually traced um

1149
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:44,480
uh back to uh not the fbi

1150
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,240
but actually the military who would show

1151
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,680
they're from the base you know the

1152
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,280
military base or something but

1153
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,480
me maybe and

1154
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,720
they would threaten they would literally

1155
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,280
we i've talked to witnesses who said

1156
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,160
when they were little they were i think

1157
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,000
the person i'm thinking of was uh

1158
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,240
gosh she was like maybe seven years old

1159
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,240
or or younger

1160
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,040
hairy man threatened her that the debris

1161
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,720
that she had handled the things she was

1162
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:13,680
told

1163
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,440
take her to the desert

1164
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,920
and and take her away from her family or

1165
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,520
kill her family

1166
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,160
and it's really sad and tragic but there

1167
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,760
are cases of that and these unidentified

1168
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,800
men who show up and make threats

1169
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,200
or give bribes we see the same thing

1170
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:34,480
then happening again

1171
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,640
in the uh heflin case which was

1172
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,520
um you know these photographs happened

1173
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,119
here in california

1174
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,960
and it looks kind of like the classic

1175
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,520
saucer shape and he's a construction

1176
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,520
worker for the uh i think department

1177
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:50,640
transportation he was doing some

1178
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:51,599
contracts and he

1179
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,800
films this thing guy shows up

1180
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,119
you know asked to borrow the photos and

1181
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,640
never returns them

1182
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,800
and you know says he's from some

1183
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,800
government agency and so

1184
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,920
this is not a new thing but the men in

1185
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,480
black

1186
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,680
i don't know if so i would if i'm

1187
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,359
guessing i would say it's not one

1188
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,280
specific agency

1189
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,520
i think i've heard stories from people

1190
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,480
from

1191
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,880
multiple agencies that they said we have

1192
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,720
a department or a division

1193
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,040
or a unit that does that sort of thing

1194
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,200
and i think you see the series

1195
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:28,400
um we we interview a controversial

1196
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,200
person who

1197
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:32,079
says that he did that for the government

1198
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,040
right

1199
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,560
and i know exactly who you're talking

1200
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,240
about yeah yeah

1201
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,240
a lot of people don't believe him

1202
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,520
because

1203
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:41,119
we know that he did work for the

1204
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,560
government but like

1205
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,560
when someone comes out and says let's

1206
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,960
say for example they say i'm a spy

1207
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,000
and i'm going to give you some

1208
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:50,400
information you're kind of like okay

1209
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,280
well

1210
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,040
are you being troubled with me now

1211
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,920
because what spies do is they lie

1212
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,160
right and so when when you're doing

1213
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,480
national security investigations

1214
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,160
that's where you get double agent then

1215
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,000
and who are they really working for

1216
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:06,079
and it's a real deal the intelligence

1217
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:07,520
community they deal with this all the

1218
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,920
time

1219
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:10,160
it's a real thing and so you have to

1220
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,359
decide now

1221
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,119
is this person still being truthful with

1222
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,800
me are they lying is there a pro in

1223
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,000
place

1224
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,040
and i if i had to put money on it yeah

1225
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,800
if you want to call it men in black no

1226
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:23,119
they don't come up and erase your mind

1227
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,560
but there are there are agencies who lie

1228
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,560
uh units that lie about working for

1229
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,240
other agencies you can do that in law

1230
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,680
enforcement believe it or not

1231
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,440
you can show up and say that you're you

1232
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,119
know somebody else

1233
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:37,680
um to get information so they can lie

1234
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,640
they can appear to be somebody else um

1235
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,119
but i would say it happens far less now

1236
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,720
than it used to

1237
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:47,040
that's just my based on on what i've

1238
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,000
i've

1239
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,920
gathered from interviews and everything

1240
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,079
because the bottom line is i don't think

1241
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,079
we need to do that much anymore

1242
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,760
if they were worried about things

1243
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,280
getting out

1244
00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:00,000
okay that was the 50s the 60s it was a

1245
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,359
panic there was a real

1246
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,920
reason i think why they were worried

1247
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,200
people would would panic

1248
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,440
getting this information we do it to

1249
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,280
ourselves now

1250
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,440
we do it to ourselves if i had the best

1251
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,280
ufo video ever

1252
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,760
you know and you know a ufo like

1253
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,839
independence take over the white house

1254
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,880
and i put it on the 10 o'clock how many

1255
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,160
people are still not going to believe

1256
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,839
that happen

1257
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,400
right it's a viral video made up for a

1258
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,880
movie it's this it's that

1259
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:32,240
and at the end of the day you know

1260
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,160
you're uh i just think there's so much

1261
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,280
disinformation hoaxing so many things

1262
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,720
out there that it would be deluded it

1263
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,319
would be lost

1264
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,319
we wouldn't have to have men in black

1265
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,520
show up and say

1266
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,520
don't talk about the thing you saw

1267
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,960
that's just my opinion

1268
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,359
yeah yeah i know we're uh we're our own

1269
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,520
worst enemies i think nowadays and

1270
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,960
it's funny because like you said you

1271
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,960
would think with the um

1272
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,680
expansion and evolution of technology

1273
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,680
would be able to get better evidence and

1274
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,800
stuff of this but

1275
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,440
in reality it actually works against us

1276
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,119
like you said we have

1277
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:09,040
special effects artists that's their

1278
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,640
calling card put out a

1279
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,280
a ufo video they made on their computer

1280
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,720
gets a million views

1281
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:15,920
boom you're going to get hired by

1282
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,800
hollywood so it's hard man i totally get

1283
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:20,240
it and especially

1284
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:23,839
in today's age of social media too

1285
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,800
with um you know falsity spreading so

1286
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:27,920
easily and

1287
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:31,119
and everything too um it's it's harder

1288
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,000
it's actually harder

1289
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,680
than i think it was before and i think

1290
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:34,880
it's harder for the government to

1291
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,760
contain

1292
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:38,240
their information too so i think that's

1293
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,599
why we're seeing

1294
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,640
you know um the dod saying

1295
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:45,359
yeah here here's those videos of the tic

1296
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,839
tac and

1297
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,680
everything we're officially releasing

1298
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:49,440
them when in reality

1299
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:52,079
we knew about those videos years before

1300
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,040
they actually

1301
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,960
leaked they leaked it's a hope i guess

1302
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,440
that i have if any of the evidence from

1303
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,000
roswell

1304
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,240
exists or anything like that like it's

1305
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,160
probably very deep vaulted

1306
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,880
but if there's a chance that anybody had

1307
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,720
access to it these things

1308
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,280
it's not like the olden days right yeah

1309
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,440
and and when people get information

1310
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,760
they leak it or the hackers are so good

1311
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:16,800
now

1312
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:22,000
we have like that hack where they

1313
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,520
they start releasing things about

1314
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,359
off-world officers and what does this

1315
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:27,440
mean is this a real thing and

1316
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,200
yeah and so um we live in an age of

1317
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,359
information overload and that i think is

1318
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:34,640
our biggest challenge

1319
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,079
we have

1320
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,520
bombshells come out it can get lost

1321
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,680
the significance and impact of that can

1322
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,440
get lost in all the other things that

1323
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,520
we're consumed with right now

1324
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:50,319
and the other problem is who do we trust

1325
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,359
anymore

1326
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:54,240
right there's so much distrust you know

1327
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,640
for

1328
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:57,040
our leaders the government everything

1329
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,319
the media

1330
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,440
and and and finishes all of that

1331
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,560
with personal testimony too

1332
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,079
you know like if you know me and you

1333
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,680
believe i would not lie to you that's

1334
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:09,359
probably the most powerful thing that

1335
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,000
could help

1336
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:12,720
persuade you yeah you know because

1337
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,440
otherwise

1338
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,400
um all this stuff coming together it

1339
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,000
we're just living in a very interesting

1340
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:19,599
time

1341
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:22,400
i think you're right yeah and um i think

1342
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,359
you know

1343
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:26,160
it's it's time for citizens to take back

1344
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,599
the information they

1345
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,160
they get and they learn so that's why i

1346
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,920
applaud anyone who's out there in the

1347
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,280
civilian world

1348
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,839
still investigating you know mom and

1349
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,440
pop's ufo sighting

1350
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,319
not not not you know the radar operator

1351
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:41,680
on the nimitz carrier

1352
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,960
like the military cases are awesome and

1353
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,800
yeah these are trained observers

1354
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,400
so like these are the cases that make

1355
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,800
the most impact but i'm so happy there's

1356
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,640
still people out there like you do

1357
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,440
in your show of going out to dulce and

1358
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,520
talking to the locals and getting a feel

1359
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,880
for what they think

1360
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,480
they saw instead of what the government

1361
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,880
thinks they saw or or stuff like that

1362
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:05,200
so um no i think that's what brings your

1363
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,160
show kind of

1364
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,240
kind of circles us back to it's all

1365
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,680
about the witnesses

1366
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:12,079
um so i guess kind of my last question

1367
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,040
for you ben

1368
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,240
uh before we wrap up here is uh you've

1369
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,760
you've investigated ghosts you've

1370
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:19,680
investigated cryptids

1371
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:23,200
now ufos um this seems to be kind of a

1372
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:24,160
running theory

1373
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,520
nowadays of all this stuff somehow being

1374
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,920
interconnected you know some weird

1375
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,200
string theory

1376
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,440
between all these things so as an

1377
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,280
investigator who's looked at all of them

1378
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,599
who's looked at all the evidence

1379
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,359
what do you think are we dealing with

1380
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,920
things interconnected or should we

1381
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,160
stay you know in our lanes when it comes

1382
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,839
to flying saucers and

1383
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,240
bigfoot and uh you know the ghosts of

1384
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:49,839
morgan city

1385
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,880
well maybe the answer is yes and no i

1386
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:53,920
mean

1387
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,200
i i do think that science is

1388
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,680
moving in the direction of um multiple

1389
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,280
dimensions so if you

1390
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,280
if the word dimension scares people

1391
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,280
think it's sci-fi well

1392
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,000
um to me i've always for example had a

1393
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:10,880
belief in in life after death okay so

1394
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,559
so if there's spirits that are here

1395
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,880
and they can sometimes manipulate our

1396
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,599
physical world sometimes people see them

1397
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,680
but we're occupying the same physical

1398
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,200
space but they're not always visible

1399
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,640
then we're talking in reality about

1400
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,240
another dimension so

1401
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:28,960
i'm okay with that now do ufos aliens do

1402
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,760
do they live in this dimension

1403
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,559
um you know the the thinkers of their

1404
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,559
time which are probably far ahead

1405
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,520
um you know jacques valet for example he

1406
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:41,680
was very hesitant to say anything about

1407
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,400
this

1408
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,480
until recently because he knew it wasn't

1409
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:45,839
popular

1410
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,640
um i do evidence of nuts and bolts craft

1411
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:52,559
things that were built you know from

1412
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,640
from those from other worlds i think

1413
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,920
we're getting to that point and i think

1414
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,720
that's what will

1415
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,520
end up being the conclusion however does

1416
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,040
that mean that they have to travel light

1417
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,790
you know maybe it's both but this

1418
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,720
international thing

1419
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,480
with the the different phenomena we're

1420
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,960
seeing with like orbs of light that come

1421
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,000
and go

1422
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:16,559
is that connected to to orbs that people

1423
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:17,280
see in

1424
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:20,800
you know paranormal hauntings um

1425
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,480
i i try not to find a unified theory

1426
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,720
just because looking at what i'm

1427
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,200
studying right now is hard enough

1428
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:30,960
but i think you do have to have an open

1429
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,440
mind that um

1430
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,680
there are other worlds right around us

1431
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:37,520
that we can't see

1432
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,880
so i guess in short yes i i do

1433
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,040
i do think that there there is a an

1434
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,359
overall explanation

1435
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,640
but it's not necessarily that the ghosts

1436
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:50,960
are aliens does that make sense

1437
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,280
you know or that bigfoot is from another

1438
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,040
i have anything that would indicate that

1439
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:58,960
yet right but

1440
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,760
there is something going on and it might

1441
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,800
help explain

1442
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:05,200
things such as why you're not finding a

1443
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,720
dead bigfoot

1444
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,480
you know like maybe they don't actually

1445
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,480
physically live here all the time and as

1446
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,319
crazy as that is

1447
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,760
there's a maybe a way that they're kind

1448
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,680
of slipping in and out and we're only

1449
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:16,800
briefly

1450
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,000
getting of them or interactions um i

1451
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,200
i feel weird saying that but i think the

1452
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:25,440
the the evidence that the phenomena is

1453
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,319
real

1454
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,280
things are happening is is overwhelming

1455
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,480
in my opinion

1456
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,520
um no i think you're right kind of um

1457
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,599
piggybacking off of what you said if you

1458
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,440
zoom back far enough

1459
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:40,079
everything's connected somehow but then

1460
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:41,440
you know it is

1461
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,839
it's a challenge so i think you know ufo

1462
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,760
people do what you do ghost people do

1463
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,640
what you do

1464
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,599
and then every now and again go get a

1465
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:51,440
beer and talk about it and then maybe

1466
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,480
you'll find some

1467
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,240
connections that's the way i look at it

1468
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:56,800
but um before we go ben

1469
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,480
um with ufo witness now having taken

1470
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,520
this journey

1471
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:04,400
um and going on all these investigations

1472
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:05,359
what do you hope

1473
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:08,480
viewers will take away from this series

1474
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,880
and

1475
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:11,040
uh what did you come out thinking by the

1476
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:11,920
end of it

1477
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,040
any big revelations or um yeah what what

1478
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:16,960
do you got for us in terms of all that

1479
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:19,920
well um you know like aside from it i

1480
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,240
think

1481
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:23,839
being a a rich kind of a history you

1482
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:24,160
call

1483
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,839
infotainment um i i think that it brings

1484
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,160
everything from pop culture that you

1485
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,119
would see these very dramatic

1486
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,000
events you know um of abductions or

1487
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:37,440
sightings don't mean to make them all

1488
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:38,160
scary

1489
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,680
i think anything that you see that's

1490
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,200
that close to you can be

1491
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,160
you know sometimes disturbing but i

1492
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:45,599
think if you take all of that

1493
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,160
and and bring it now into the fact based

1494
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,760
stuff of what we know

1495
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,000
that's what this series really does

1496
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,680
because a lot of people only know the

1497
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,559
pop culture

1498
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,160
and they know what their neighbors said

1499
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,240
they saw but they have no

1500
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,960
idea this is sort of like a ufo ufology

1501
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:02,720
101 for people

1502
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,760
right it takes you into um

1503
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:08,000
the the basics of like if i were to take

1504
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,359
a course in ufos well

1505
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,079
okay let's talk about blue book let's

1506
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:13,599
talk about the government's interest in

1507
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,240
it

1508
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,520
and we have a conversation

1509
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,920
so if this does serve a public service

1510
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,359
of any sort

1511
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,920
first you have to care about the subject

1512
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,760
and this show i think really helps you

1513
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,680
care about the subject

1514
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:30,240
it helps legitimacy to a lot of these

1515
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:31,520
sightings

1516
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:34,319
um it's backed with official government

1517
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:35,440
records

1518
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,040
and from that once we care about it um

1519
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,800
if it were to be a social movement and

1520
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,160
i'm not saying like we have a

1521
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,760
you know a million person march on dc

1522
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:48,319
but you've got to have enough voices to

1523
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,359
say look

1524
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,000
okay guys we know there's overwhelming

1525
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,760
evidence and people have seen this

1526
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,359
and and things have happened over the

1527
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:58,000
years we want to know the truth now

1528
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,359
and i think that's what we're getting

1529
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:01,440
too i think the media is interested in

1530
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:02,240
that

1531
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,400
they uh we as you know tv producers

1532
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:09,359
and and what we do we're part of that

1533
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,079
we're part of

1534
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,640
of making that awareness so that we can

1535
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,720
see some change and hopefully time get

1536
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:16,720
some answers

1537
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,480
absolutely man i think um you know it is

1538
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,599
it's a time unlike any other in the ufo

1539
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,800
world right now

1540
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,119
um you got a lot of activists on twitter

1541
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,800
who are super passionate

1542
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,880
about you know writing your congress

1543
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,880
members or your senators and

1544
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:35,119
tell us like what you know about ufos

1545
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,559
and i'm all for that

1546
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,400
i'm all for the people out there

1547
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,079
actually investigating i'm all for the

1548
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,920
people sitting at their computers

1549
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,720
and researching old cases like there's a

1550
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:46,079
place for everyone in

1551
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,680
all of this and i think that's what's

1552
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,280
beautiful about it it's a

1553
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,200
it's a topic whether it's paranormal or

1554
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,119
ufos that unify us

1555
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,520
instead of divide us so if we could get

1556
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:56,720
more of those in the world

1557
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:00,319
right now i think uh we could definitely

1558
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:04,160
definitely use that one you hit on a

1559
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,079
great point maybe to end with

1560
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,880
is that um because of the you know

1561
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,480
political divisions and everything we're

1562
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,839
seeing you have to remember

1563
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,720
residents on both sides have had their

1564
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,839
experiences

1565
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:18,079
have politicians on both sides have come

1566
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,280
together

1567
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,599
to ask for this latest thing you know in

1568
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,640
congress

1569
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:25,359
um it is it was reagan and it was

1570
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,079
clinton

1571
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,119
who both made similar statements about

1572
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,640
imagine i mean if we were visited from

1573
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,480
someone or something from an external

1574
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,920
force and how that would unite us we're

1575
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:38,240
all humans

1576
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,160
you know this this earth together

1577
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,760
it doesn't mean that they have to be our

1578
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:45,280
enemies but

1579
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,960
it would bring us together remember what

1580
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,720
we have in common and so i think it's

1581
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,400
one reason the ufo subject is

1582
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,680
also so hot right now yeah

1583
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:56,400
yep i i think humans desperately want

1584
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:56,799
that

1585
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,000
and um let's not let all of this divide

1586
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:01,680
us let's come together so

1587
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,720
brother i gotta ask you um before we go

1588
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,400
where can we find everything you're up

1589
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:08,400
to and where can we find

1590
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,559
ufo witness so yeah a ufo

1591
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,319
i hope you guys enjoy it we're getting a

1592
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,079
ton of really good

1593
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,280
so uh thanks for tuning in

1594
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,079
awesome brother well hey yeah again like

1595
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,720
it was so cool to see jenny zeedman and

1596
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:27,040
mark o'connell and you on the show uh

1597
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:27,839
the passion

1598
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:31,119
shows in what you guys did and i highly

1599
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,400
suggest everyone

1600
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:34,640
go check it out and i can't believe i'm

1601
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,440
saying this again

1602
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,000
first time guest ben hansen thank you

1603
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,520
for joining me today on summer in the

1604
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,640
skies my man

1605
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:42,880
well thank you so much for having me and